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|song name                = Rough
 
|song name                = Rough
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|performer                = [[Prince]]; [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_O'Neal Alexander O'Neal]; [[Jill Jones]]
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|performer                = [[Prince]]; [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_O’Neal Alexander O’Neal]; [[Jill Jones]]
 
|writer(s)                = [[Prince]] (assumed)
 
|writer(s)                = [[Prince]] (assumed)
 
|producer(s)              = [[Prince]] (assumed)
 
|producer(s)              = [[Prince]] (assumed)
 
|previous song            = [[Rootie Kazootie]]
 
|previous song            = [[Rootie Kazootie]]
 
|next song                = [[Round And Round]]
 
|next song                = [[Round And Round]]
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|introduction              = '''Rough''' is an unreleased song originally recorded in May - June 1980 at [[Prince]]'s [[North Arm Drive Home Studio]] in Orono, Minnesota during recording sessions for the [[Album: Dirty Mind|Dirty Mind]] album.  
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|introduction              = '''Rough''' (also listed as '''Tough''', '''Too Tough''', and '''Too Rough''') is an unreleased song originally recorded in May - June 1980 at [[Prince]]’s [[North Arm Drive Home Studio]] in Orono, Minnesota during recording sessions for the [[Album: Dirty Mind|Dirty Mind]] album.  
  
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At some point between June 1980 and April 1981, he recorded a new version with [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_O'Neal Alexander O'Neal], but recording details are not known.  
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At some point between June 1980 and April 1981, he recorded a new version with [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_O’Neal Alexander O’Neal], but recording details are not known.  
  
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In 1984, the song was considered for [[The Family]], but no new recording was done on the track at the time, as it seemed inappropriate for the group's style. It was later considered for [[Jill Jones]]' first album [[Album: Jill Jones|Jill Jones]], and her vocals were recorded on [[Prince_Vault:Selected_anniversaries/January 8|8 January 1986]], along with saxophone overdubs by [[Eric Leeds]] (four days before recording [[Conversation Piece]] and [[Last Heart]]).  
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In 1985, the song was considered for [[The Family]], but <!--no new recording was done on the track at the time, as it--> seemed inappropriate for the group’s style. It was later considered for [[Jill Jones]]' first album [[Album: Jill Jones|Jill Jones]], and her vocals were recorded on [[Prince_Vault:Selected_anniversaries/January 8|8 January 1986]], along with saxophone overdubs by [[Eric Leeds]] (four days before recording [[Conversation Piece]] and [[Last Heart]]).  
  
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It was rejected from the album, however, and [[Prince]] later offered it to Joyce Kennedy of the band [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother's_Finest Mother's Finest], who turned the song down without recording a version.
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It was rejected from the album, however, and [[Prince]] later offered it to Joyce Kennedy of the band [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother’s_Finest Mother’s Finest], who turned the song down without recording a version.
  
 
The lyrics describe a tough girl, who will take your money, your self respect and your personality. "She keeps her money in a garter belt. Next to a .38. If you get the chance to take her out. You better not be late."
 
The lyrics describe a tough girl, who will take your money, your self respect and your personality. "She keeps her money in a garter belt. Next to a .38. If you get the chance to take her out. You better not be late."
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|date                      = May - June 1980
 
|date                      = May - June 1980
 
|studio                    = [[North Arm Drive Home Studio]],<br>Orono, MN, USA
 
|studio                    = [[North Arm Drive Home Studio]],<br>Orono, MN, USA
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|additional info          = Basic tracking
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|additional info          = Tracking
 
}}
 
}}
 
{{RecordingLine|
 
{{RecordingLine|
 
|date                      = June 1980 - April 1981
 
|date                      = June 1980 - April 1981
 
|studio                    = Studio information needed
 
|studio                    = Studio information needed
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|additional info          = Additional recording with [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_O'Neal Alexander O'Neal]
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|additional info          = Additional recording with [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_O’Neal Alexander O’Neal]
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}}
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{{RecordingLine|
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|date                      = [[Prince_Vault:Selected_anniversaries/March 14|14 March 1985]]
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|studio                    = [[Sunset Sound]], Studio 1 (likely), <br>Hollywood, CA, USA
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|additional info          = Vocal overdubs by [[Prince]]
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}}
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{{RecordingLine|
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|date                      = March 1985 (likely)
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|studio                    = Studio information needed
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|additional info          = Vocal overdubs with [[Paul Peterson|St. Paul]] and [[Susannah Melvoin]] (unconfirmed)
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}}
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{{RecordingLine|
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|date                      = [[Prince_Vault:Selected_anniversaries/June 25|2 June 1985]]
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|studio                    = [[The Complex Studios]], <br>Los Angeles, CA, USA
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|additional info          = Overdubs, mix (session by [[Wendy Melvoin| Wendy]] & [[Lisa Coleman|Lisa]], sans [[Prince]])
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}}
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{{RecordingLine|
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|date                      = [[Prince_Vault:Selected_anniversaries/December 11|11 December 1985]] (estimate)
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|studio                    = [[Sunset Sound]] - Studio 3,<br>Hollywood, CA, USA
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|additional info          = Vocal overdubs by [[Jill Jones]]
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}}
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{{RecordingLine|
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|date                      = [[Prince_Vault:Selected_anniversaries/December 20|20 December 1985]]
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|studio                    = [[Sunset Sound]] - Studio 3,<br>Hollywood, CA, USA
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|additional info          = Mix (as '''Too Rough''')
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}}
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{{RecordingLine|
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|date                      = [[Prince_Vault:Selected_anniversaries/December 20|20 December 1985]]
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|studio                    = [[Sunset Sound]]- Studio 3,<br>Hollywood, CA, USA
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|additional info          = Mix (as '''Too Rough''')
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}}
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{{RecordingLine|
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|date                      = [[Prince_Vault:Selected_anniversaries/January 7|7 January 1986]]
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|studio                    = [[Sunset Sound]] - Studio 3,<br>Hollywood, CA, USA
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|additional info          = Overdubs, mix (as '''Too Rough''')
 
}}
 
}}
 
{{RecordingLine|
 
{{RecordingLine|
 
|date                      = [[Prince_Vault:Selected_anniversaries/January 8|8 January 1986]]
 
|date                      = [[Prince_Vault:Selected_anniversaries/January 8|8 January 1986]]
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|studio                    = [[Sunset Sound]],<br>Hollywood, CA, USA
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|studio                    = [[Sunset Sound]] - Studio 3,<br>Hollywood, CA, USA
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|additional info          = Vocal overdubs by [[Jill Jones]] and saxophone overdubs by [[Eric Leeds]]
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|additional info          = Mix, overdubs Saxophone overdubs by [[Eric Leeds]] (as '''Too Rough''')
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}}
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{{RecordingLine|
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|date                      = [[Prince_Vault:Selected_anniversaries/February 21|21 February 1986]]
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|studio                    = [[Sunset Sound]]- Studio 3,<br>Hollywood, CA, USA
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|additional info          = Remix (as '''Too Rough''')
 
}}
 
}}
 
|recording personnel      =  
 
|recording personnel      =  
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*[[Prince]] - all vocals and instruments (assumed)
 
*[[Prince]] - all vocals and instruments (assumed)
 
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<br>
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'''Alexander O'Neil version'''
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'''Alexander O’Neil version'''
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*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_O'Neal Alexander O'Neal] - vocals
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*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_O’Neal Alexander O’Neal] - vocals
 
*[[Prince]] - all other vocals and instruments (assumed)
 
*[[Prince]] - all other vocals and instruments (assumed)
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<br>
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''' The Family version''' (possible)
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*[[Paul Peterson|St. Paul]] - vocals
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* [[Susannah Melvoin]] - vocals (assumed)
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*[[Prince]] - all other  and instruments (assumed)
 
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<br>
 
'''Jill Jones version'''
 
'''Jill Jones version'''
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|1= '''Rough'''
 
|1= '''Rough'''
 
|2= Studio
 
|2= Studio
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|3= 1980-1 recording with [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_O'Neal Alexander O'Neal] vocals
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|3= 1980-1 recording with [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_O’Neal Alexander O’Neal] vocals
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}}
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{{Unreleasedline|
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|1= '''Rough'''
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|2= Studio
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|3= 1985 version with vocals overdubs by [[Prince]]
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}}
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{{Unreleasedline|
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|1= '''Rough'''
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|2= Studio
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|3= Possible version with [[The Family]]
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}}
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{{Unreleasedline|
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|1= '''Rough'''
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|2= Studio
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|3= Version after Wendy & Lisa overdubs
 
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|references                = ''[[Book:_The_Vault|The Vault: The Definitive Guide to the Musical World of Prince (2004)]]''
 
|references                = ''[[Book:_The_Vault|The Vault: The Definitive Guide to the Musical World of Prince (2004)]]''
 
* ''[[Book:_The_Beautiful_Ones|The Beautiful Ones]]'' (2019)
 
* ''[[Book:_The_Beautiful_Ones|The Beautiful Ones]]'' (2019)
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|categories                = [[Category:1980]][[Category:Songs (Prince)]][[Category:Unreleased Songs]][[Category:Recorded 1980]]
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* ''[https://www.amazon.com/Prince-Purple-Rain-Studio-Sessions/dp/1538114623/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8 Prince and the Purple Rain Era Studio Sessions 1983 and 1984 (Expanded Edition, paperback), Duane Tudahl (2018)]''
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* ''[https://www.duanetudahl.com/prince-book Prince and the Parade/Sign O’ The Times Era Studio Sessions 1985 and 1986, Duane Tudahl (2021)]''
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|categories                = [[Category:1980]][[Category:Recorded 1980]][[Category:Songs (Prince)]][[Category:Songs (Associated Artists)]][[Category:Unreleased Songs‏‎]]
 
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Latest revision as of 06:59, 24 September 2023

Rootie Kazootie   < < < Non-Prince Songs All Prince Songs Unreleased Songs > > >   Round And Round
Rough
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Song details
Performer: Prince; Alexander O’Neal; Jill Jones
Writer(s): Prince (assumed)
Producer(s): Prince (assumed)
Live Appearances
First and last live appearance:
Performed regularly on tour:
  • none
Performed occasionally in shows:
  • none

Rough (also listed as Tough, Too Tough, and Too Rough) is an unreleased song originally recorded in May - June 1980 at Prince’s North Arm Drive Home Studio in Orono, Minnesota during recording sessions for the Dirty Mind album.

At some point between June 1980 and April 1981, he recorded a new version with Alexander O’Neal, but recording details are not known.

In 1985, the song was considered for The Family, but seemed inappropriate for the group’s style. It was later considered for Jill Jones' first album Jill Jones, and her vocals were recorded on 8 January 1986, along with saxophone overdubs by Eric Leeds (four days before recording Conversation Piece and Last Heart).

It was rejected from the album, however, and Prince later offered it to Joyce Kennedy of the band Mother’s Finest, who turned the song down without recording a version.

The lyrics describe a tough girl, who will take your money, your self respect and your personality. "She keeps her money in a garter belt. Next to a .38. If you get the chance to take her out. You better not be late."

The song was copyrighted on 25 March 1985 as Rough, but it is commonly incorrectly referred to as Too Rough, and sometimes Tough or Too Tough as well. That list title however is a different, otherwise unrelated song.


Recording Information
Recording Sessions
Date Studio Additional info
May - June 1980 North Arm Drive Home Studio,
Orono, MN, USA 		Tracking
June 1980 - April 1981 Studio information needed Additional recording with Alexander O’Neal
14 March 1985 Sunset Sound, Studio 1 (likely),
Hollywood, CA, USA 		Vocal overdubs by Prince
March 1985 (likely) Studio information needed Vocal overdubs with St. Paul and Susannah Melvoin (unconfirmed)
2 June 1985 The Complex Studios,
Los Angeles, CA, USA 		Overdubs, mix (session by Wendy & Lisa, sans Prince)
11 December 1985 (estimate) Sunset Sound - Studio 3,
Hollywood, CA, USA 		Vocal overdubs by Jill Jones
20 December 1985 Sunset Sound - Studio 3,
Hollywood, CA, USA 		Mix (as Too Rough)
20 December 1985 Sunset Sound- Studio 3,
Hollywood, CA, USA 		Mix (as Too Rough)
7 January 1986 Sunset Sound - Studio 3,
Hollywood, CA, USA 		Overdubs, mix (as Too Rough)
8 January 1986 Sunset Sound - Studio 3,
Hollywood, CA, USA 		Mix, overdubs Saxophone overdubs by Eric Leeds (as Too Rough)
21 February 1986 Sunset Sound- Studio 3,
Hollywood, CA, USA 		Remix (as Too Rough)
Recording Personnel

Prince version

  • Prince - all vocals and instruments (assumed)


Alexander O’Neil version


The Family version (possible)


Jill Jones version


Versions
Unreleased Versions
Title Version Additional Info
Rough Studio Original 1980 recording with Prince vocals
Rough Studio 1980-1 recording with Alexander O’Neal vocals
Rough Studio 1985 version with vocals overdubs by Prince
Rough Studio Possible version with The Family
Rough Studio Version after Wendy & Lisa overdubs
Rough Studio 1986 recording with Jill Jones vocals


 
Additional Information
See also Trivia
References
Rootie Kazootie   < < < All Songs Unreleased Songs > > >   Round And Round
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