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{{song-2|
|song name                = Our Destiny
|song name                = Our Destiny
|single image              = [[File:Unreleasedsong.jpg|link=Unreleased Songs]]
|single image              = [[File:Purplerain_Deluxe.jpg|100px|link= Album: Purple Rain Deluxe]] <br><small> from the album [[Album: Purple Rain Deluxe|Purple Rain ''Deluxe Edition'' and ''Deluxe Expanded Edition'']]
|first released            = [[Prince_Vault:Selected_anniversaries/May_12|12 May 2017]] - [[Album: Purple Rain Deluxe|Purple Rain ''Deluxe Edition'' and ''Deluxe Expanded Edition'']] preview download
|album(s)                  = [[Album: Purple Rain Deluxe|Purple Rain ''Deluxe Edition'' and ''Deluxe Expanded Edition'']]<br>
|performer                = [[Prince and the Revolution]]
|performer                = [[Prince and the Revolution]]
|writer(s)                = [[Prince]] (assumed)
|writer(s)                = [[Prince]]  
|producer(s)              = [[Prince]] (assumed)
|producer(s)              = [[Prince]]
|previous song            = [[Others Here With Us]]
|previous song            = [[Others Here With Us]]
|next song                = [[Overnight, Every Night]]
|next song                = [[Overnight, Every Night]]
|introduction              = '''Our Destiny''' is an unreleased track, initially recorded during [[Prince and the Revolution]]'s concert on [[07_June 1984|7 June 1984]] at [[First Avenue]] in Minneapolis, MN, USA, during the same show where the basic tracks for [[Roadhouse Garden]] and [[All Day, All Night]] were also recorded. It is unclear if, but plausible that they used the basic tracks recorded at [[First Avenue]] on [[Prince_Vault:Selected_anniversaries/June_7|7 June]], but ended up overdubbing almost every part.  
|introduction              = '''Our Destiny''' is a track initially recorded during [[Prince and the Revolution]]’s concert on [[07_June 1984|7 June 1984]] at [[First Avenue]] in Minneapolis, Minnesota, during the same show where the basic tracks for [[Roadhouse Garden]] and [[All Day, All Night]] were also recorded, although a version recorded by [[Prince]] alone is thought to have existed before. When working on this further, it is unclear if, but plausible that they used the basic tracks recorded at [[First Avenue]] on [[Prince_Vault:Selected_anniversaries/June_7|7 June]], but ended up overdubbing almost every part.  
[[Wendy Melvoin]] and [[Lisa Coleman]] worked on the track further for three days, from [[Prince_Vault:Selected_anniversaries/September_27|27]]-[[Prince_Vault:Selected_anniversaries/September_29|29 September 1984]] at [[Sunset Sound]], Hollywood, CA, USA (during the same sessions where they recorded string overdubs for [[Pop Life]]). Sessions with horn players and strings were organized and both [[Lisa Coleman]] and [[Jill Jones]] added a lead vocal to the track, replacing [[Prince]]'s vocals. [[Prince]] was not present for these sessions. Part of the strings that were recorded were later re-used for the opening of [[The Ladder]].
[[Wendy Melvoin]] and [[Lisa Coleman]] worked on the track further for three days, from [[Prince_Vault:Selected_anniversaries/September_27|27]]-[[Prince_Vault:Selected_anniversaries/September_29|29 September 1984]] at [[Sunset Sound]] in Hollywood, California. Sessions with horn players and strings were organized and both [[Lisa Coleman]] and [[Jill Jones]] added a lead vocal to the track, replacing [[Prince]]’s vocals. [[Prince]] was not present for these sessions. Part of the strings that were recorded were later re-used for the opening of [[The Ladder]].


'''Our Destiny''' is not known to have been considered for inclusion on [[Prince]]'s next album, [[Album: Around The World In A Day|Around The World In A Day]], or any other project at the time. It is likely that it was planned for inclusion on the [[Prince and the Revolution]] album [[Album: Roadhouse Garden|Roadhouse Garden]] album worked on in 1998-9, but that album remained unreleased.  
'''Our Destiny''' is not known to have been considered for inclusion on [[Prince]]’s next album, [[Album: Around The World In A Day|Around The World In A Day]]. According to [[Jill Jones]], the song was intended for an aborted musical titled [[Musical: Roadhouse Garden| Roadhouse Garden]]. It is likely that it was planned for inclusion on the [[Prince and the Revolution]] album [[Album: Roadhouse Garden|Roadhouse Garden]] album worked on in 1998-9, but that album remained unreleased.  


In 2017 the version with [[Lisa Coleman]]'s lead vocal was released on [[Album: Purple Rain Deluxe|Purple Rain ''Deluxe'']] combined with [[Roadhouse Garden]] as '''Our Destiny / [[Roadhouse Garden]]'''. Of note is that this is the earliest recorded track to feature [[Lisa Coleman]] on lead vocals.
Although tracked separately in the studio, the song seems to have purposively been conjoined with [[Roadhouse Garden]] when released as the fifth track on the second disc (titled ''From The Vault & Previously Unreleased'') of [[Album: Purple Rain Deluxe|Purple Rain ''Deluxe Edition'' and ''Deluxe Expanded Edition'']] in 2017 (as '''Our Destiny / [[Roadhouse Garden]]'''), emulating the live rendition of both, using the same four-on-the-floor bass drumbeat, performed as segueing into one another. It is unclear if this was originally intended by [[Prince]] for the studio version as well, or that it was only done as such before their inclusion on the second disc (titled ''From The Vault & Previously Unreleased'') of [[Album: Purple Rain Deluxe|Purple Rain ''Deluxe Edition'' and ''Deluxe Expanded Edition'']]. It has been suggested this was possibly the case as there was a limit set to the number of songs to be released on the bonus disc of the release.
Of note is that this is the earliest recorded track to feature [[Lisa Coleman]] on lead vocals.
|recording info            =
|recording info            =
{{RecordingLine|
{{RecordingLine|
|date                      = late May or early June 1984 (assumed)
|date                      = late May or early June 1984 (assumed)
|studio                    = [[Kiowa Trail Home Studio]], Chanhassen, MN, USA (assumed)
|studio                    = [[Flying Cloud Drive Warehouse]],<br>Eden Prairie, MN, USA (assumed)
|additional info          = Initial tracking of [[Prince]] solo version (assumed)
|additional info          = Tracking of [[Prince]] solo version (assumed)
}}
}}
{{RecordingLine|
{{RecordingLine|
|date                      = [[07_June 1984|7 June 1984]]
|date                      = [[07_June 1984|7 June 1984]]
|studio                    = [[First Avenue]], Minneapolis, MN, USA
|studio                    = [[07_June 1984|First Avenue]],<br>Minneapolis, MN, USA
|additional info          = Live recording
|additional info          = Live recording
}}
}}
{{RecordingLine|
{{RecordingLine|
|date                      = [[Prince_Vault:Selected_anniversaries/September_27|27 September 1984]]
|date                      = [[Prince_Vault:Selected_anniversaries/September_27|27 September 1984]]
|studio                    = [[Sunset Sound]], Hollywood, CA, USA
|studio                    = [[Sunset Sound]] - Studio 2,<br>Hollywood, CA, USA
|additional info          = brass overdubs
|additional info          = brass overdubs
}}
}}
{{RecordingLine|
{{RecordingLine|
|date                      = [[Prince_Vault:Selected_anniversaries/September_28|28 September 1984]]
|date                      = [[Prince_Vault:Selected_anniversaries/September_28|28 September 1984]]
|studio                    = [[Sunset Sound]], Hollywood, CA, USA
|studio                    = [[Sunset Sound]] - Studio 2,<br>Hollywood, CA, USA
|additional info          = string overdubs, [[Lisa Coleman]] lead vocal and mixing
|additional info          = string overdubs, [[Lisa Coleman]] lead vocal and mixing
}}
}}
{{RecordingLine|
{{RecordingLine|
|date                      = [[Prince_Vault:Selected_anniversaries/September_29|29 September 1984]]
|date                      = [[Prince_Vault:Selected_anniversaries/September_29|29 September 1984]]
|studio                    = [[Sunset Sound]], Hollywood, CA, USA
|studio                    = [[Sunset Sound]]- Studio 3,<br>Hollywood, CA, USA
|additional info          = [[Jill Jones]] lead vocal and mixing
|additional info          = [[Jill Jones]] lead vocal and mixing
}}
{{RecordingLine|
|date                      = [[Prince_Vault:Selected_anniversaries/May_12|12 May 1985]]
|studio                    = [[Sunset Sound]] - Studio 3,<br>Hollywood, CA, USA
|additional info          = overdubs
}}
}}
|recording personnel      =  
|recording personnel      =  
'''initial live recording'''
'''initial live recording'''
*[[Prince]] - lead vocals and guitar
*[[Prince]] - lead vocals and guitar
*[[Bobby Z.]] - drums (unclear if audible on released version)
*[[Bobby Z.]] - drums (unclear if audible on released version)
*[[Brown Mark]] - bass guitar (unclear if audible on released version)
*[[Brown Mark]] - bass guitar (unclear if audible on released version)
*[[Wendy Melvoin]] - guitar (unclear if audible on released version) and background vocals  
*[[Wendy Melvoin]] - guitar (unclear if audible on released version) and background vocals  
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'''additional recording'''
'''additional recording'''
*[[Jill Jones]] lead vocals (alternate version)
*[[Jill Jones]] lead vocals (alternate version)
:Orchestral Players on string interlude:
:Orchestral Players:
:*[[Sid Page]] and [[Marcy Dicterow-Vaj]] - violins  
:*[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sid_Page Sid Page] and [[Marcy Dicterow-Vaj]] - violins  
:*[[Denyse Buffum]] and [[Laury Woods]] - violas
:*[[Denyse Buffum]] and [[Laury Woods]] - violas
:*[[Suzie Katayama]], [[David Coleman]] - cello
:*[[Suzie Katayama]], [[David Coleman]] - cello
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:*[[John Liotine]] - trumpet
:*[[John Liotine]] - trumpet
:*[[Brad Warnaar]] - french horn
:*[[Brad Warnaar]] - french horn
:*[[Steven Madaio]] - trumpet
:*[[Steve Madaio]] - saxophone
:*[[Dick Mitchell]] - sax / flute
:*[[Dick Mitchell]] - sax / flute
|released versions        =
{{Songchart|
|line =
{{Songline|
|1= '''Our Destiny / [[Roadhouse Garden]]'''
|2= 6:25
|3= [[Album: Purple Rain Deluxe|Purple Rain ''Deluxe Edition'' and ''Deluxe Expanded Edition'' (From The Vault & Previously Unreleased)]]<br>
|4= Studio
|5=
}}
}}
|unreleased versions      =
{{SongUnreleased|
|unreleased versions      =  
|unreleased versions      =  
{{Unreleased|
{{Unreleased|
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|1= '''Our Destiny'''
|1= '''Our Destiny'''
|2= Studio, [[Prince]] solo
|2= Studio, [[Prince]] solo
|3= May, June, [[Kiowa Trail Home Studio]], Chanhassen, MN, USA
|3= Late April/ early May, [[Flying Cloud Drive Warehouse]], Eden Prairie, MN, USA (assumed)
}}
}}
{{Unreleasedline|
{{Unreleasedline|
|1= '''Our Destiny'''
|1= '''Our Destiny'''
|2= Live
|2= Live
|3= [[07 June 1984|7 June 1984, First Avenue, Minneapolis, MN, USA]], before overdubs
|3= [[07 June 1984|7 June 1984, First Avenue, Minneapolis, Minnesota]], before overdubs
}}
}}
{{Unreleasedline|
{{Unreleasedline|
|1= '''Our Destiny'''
|1= '''Our Destiny'''
|2= Studio (likely based on live rec.)
|2= Studio (likely based on live rec.)
|3= Studio version with [[Lisa Coleman]] vocal and horn & string overdubs
|3= Studio version with [[Jill Jones]] vocal and horn & string overdubs
}}
}}
{{Unreleasedline|
|1= '''Our Destiny'''
|2= Studio (likely based on live rec.)
|3= Studio version with [[Jill Jones]] vocal and horn & string overdubs
}}
}}
}}
}}
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|3= [[Album: Around The World In A Day|Around The World In A Day]]
|3= [[Album: Around The World In A Day|Around The World In A Day]]
|4= Studio
|4= Studio
|5= Samples string section originally done for '''Our Destiny'''
|5=  
}}
}}
}}
}}
}}
}}
|first live appearance    = [[07 June 1984|7 June 1984: First Avenue, Minneapolis, MN, USA]] <small>(only known performance)</small>
|first live appearance    = [[07 June 1984|7 June 1984: First Avenue, Minneapolis, MN, USA]] <small> (only known performance) </small>
|performed regularly on    = none
|performed regularly on    = none
|performed occasionally in = [[All Concerts#1984|1984]]
|performed occasionally in = none
|trivia                    =  
|trivia                    =  
|see also                  = [[Unreleased Songs]]
|see also                  = [[Album: Purple Rain Deluxe|Purple Rain ''Deluxe Edition'' and ''Deluxe Expanded Edition'']] album
* [[Film: Purple Rain |Purple Rain]] movie
|references                = ''[[Book:_The_Vault|The Vault: The Definitive Guide to the Musical World of Prince (2004)]]''
|references                = ''[[Book:_The_Vault|The Vault: The Definitive Guide to the Musical World of Prince (2004)]]''
* ''Prince and the Purple Rain Era Studio Sessions 1983 and 1984'', Duane Tudahl (2017)
* ''[https://www.amazon.com/Prince-Purple-Rain-Studio-Sessions/dp/1538114623/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8 Prince and the Purple Rain Era Studio Sessions 1983 and 1984 (Expanded Edition, paperback), Duane Tudahl (2018)]''
|categories                = [[Category:1984]][[Category:Songs (Prince)]][[Category:Songs (Prince and the Revolution)]][[Category:Unreleased Songs]][[Category:Recorded 1984]]
* ''[https://www.duanetudahl.com/prince-book Prince and the Parade/Sign O’ The Times Era Studio Sessions 1985 and 1986, Duane Tudahl (2021)]''
 
|categories                = [[Category:2017]][[Category:Recorded 1984]][[Category:Songs (Prince)]][[Category:Songs (Prince and the Revolution)]][[Category:Released Songs (Prince)]][[Category:Posthumously-released Songs]]
}}
}}

Latest revision as of 13:26, 10 October 2024

Others Here With Us   < < < Non-Prince Songs All Prince Songs Unreleased Songs > > >   Overnight, Every Night
Our Destiny

from the album Purple Rain Deluxe Edition and Deluxe Expanded Edition
Song details
Performer: Prince and the Revolution
First Released: 12 May 2017 - Purple Rain Deluxe Edition and Deluxe Expanded Edition preview download
Album(s): Purple Rain Deluxe Edition and Deluxe Expanded Edition
Writer(s): Prince
Producer(s): Prince
Live Appearances
First and last live appearance:
Performed regularly on tour:
  • none
Performed occasionally in shows:
  • none

Our Destiny is a track initially recorded during Prince and the Revolution’s concert on 7 June 1984 at First Avenue in Minneapolis, Minnesota, during the same show where the basic tracks for Roadhouse Garden and All Day, All Night were also recorded, although a version recorded by Prince alone is thought to have existed before. When working on this further, it is unclear if, but plausible that they used the basic tracks recorded at First Avenue on 7 June, but ended up overdubbing almost every part. Wendy Melvoin and Lisa Coleman worked on the track further for three days, from 27-29 September 1984 at Sunset Sound in Hollywood, California. Sessions with horn players and strings were organized and both Lisa Coleman and Jill Jones added a lead vocal to the track, replacing Prince’s vocals. Prince was not present for these sessions. Part of the strings that were recorded were later re-used for the opening of The Ladder.

Our Destiny is not known to have been considered for inclusion on Prince’s next album, Around The World In A Day. According to Jill Jones, the song was intended for an aborted musical titled Roadhouse Garden. It is likely that it was planned for inclusion on the Prince and the Revolution album Roadhouse Garden album worked on in 1998-9, but that album remained unreleased.

Although tracked separately in the studio, the song seems to have purposively been conjoined with Roadhouse Garden when released as the fifth track on the second disc (titled From The Vault & Previously Unreleased) of Purple Rain Deluxe Edition and Deluxe Expanded Edition in 2017 (as Our Destiny / Roadhouse Garden), emulating the live rendition of both, using the same four-on-the-floor bass drumbeat, performed as segueing into one another. It is unclear if this was originally intended by Prince for the studio version as well, or that it was only done as such before their inclusion on the second disc (titled From The Vault & Previously Unreleased) of Purple Rain Deluxe Edition and Deluxe Expanded Edition. It has been suggested this was possibly the case as there was a limit set to the number of songs to be released on the bonus disc of the release. Of note is that this is the earliest recorded track to feature Lisa Coleman on lead vocals.


Recording Information
Recording Sessions
Date Studio Additional info
late May or early June 1984 (assumed) Flying Cloud Drive Warehouse,
Eden Prairie, MN, USA (assumed) 		Tracking of Prince solo version (assumed)
7 June 1984 First Avenue,
Minneapolis, MN, USA 		Live recording
27 September 1984 Sunset Sound - Studio 2,
Hollywood, CA, USA 		brass overdubs
28 September 1984 Sunset Sound - Studio 2,
Hollywood, CA, USA 		string overdubs, Lisa Coleman lead vocal and mixing
29 September 1984 Sunset Sound- Studio 3,
Hollywood, CA, USA 		Jill Jones lead vocal and mixing
12 May 1985 Sunset Sound - Studio 3,
Hollywood, CA, USA 		overdubs
Recording Personnel

initial live recording

  • Prince - lead vocals and guitar
  • Bobby Z. - drums (unclear if audible on released version)
  • Brown Mark - bass guitar (unclear if audible on released version)
  • Wendy Melvoin - guitar (unclear if audible on released version) and background vocals
  • Lisa Coleman - keyboards (unclear if audible on released version) vocals
  • Dr. Fink - keyboards and background vocals (unclear if audible on released version)

additional recording

Orchestral Players:

Versions
Released Versions
Title Length Released Version Additional info
Our Destiny / Roadhouse Garden 6:25 Purple Rain Deluxe Edition and Deluxe Expanded Edition (From The Vault & Previously Unreleased)
 Studio


Sampled, Referred to, Quoted in...
Title Length Released Version Additional info
The Ladder 5:26 Around The World In A Day Studio
Unreleased Versions
Title Version Additional Info
Our Destiny Studio, Prince solo Late April/ early May, Flying Cloud Drive Warehouse, Eden Prairie, MN, USA (assumed)
Our Destiny Live 7 June 1984, First Avenue, Minneapolis, Minnesota, before overdubs
Our Destiny Studio (likely based on live rec.) Studio version with Jill Jones vocal and horn & string overdubs
 
Additional Information
See also Trivia
References
Others Here With Us   < < < All Songs Unreleased Songs > > >   Overnight, Every Night
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